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	<title>Comments on: Using Fused Glass with Metal Clay</title>
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	<description>Metal Clay - copper,  bronze, steel, and White Bronze</description>
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		<title>By: Holly A, Black</title>
		<link>http://artinsilver.com/blog/2009/06/26/using-fused-glass-with-metal-clay/comment-page-1/#comment-39488</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly A, Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 21:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These posts are a little old, so I was wondering if anyone had made any progress in firing fuzed glass cabochons in any of Hadar&#039;s Metal Clays? I know I can do it with silver PMC but I would also like to make some pieces with other metal clays.  Any advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These posts are a little old, so I was wondering if anyone had made any progress in firing fuzed glass cabochons in any of Hadar&#8217;s Metal Clays? I know I can do it with silver PMC but I would also like to make some pieces with other metal clays.  Any advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadar, thank you--that&#039;s super helpful advice. I can absolutely bury the bronze and leave the glass exposed.

Also, thank you in general for all your helpful advice here, and for your phenomenal books! I just bought all three, and I recently switched to using your firing schedule for Bronzclay--which pretty much changed my results from close to zero to almost 100 percent. What a difference. (Then I started using the Fastfire Bronzclay I had lying around, but kept to your schedule, and I might as well be firing silver now. Easy perfection!)

And the store is Stained Glass Garden, down on 4th Street. (I live in Davis--I plan to sign up for one of your six-week classes at some point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadar, thank you&#8211;that&#8217;s super helpful advice. I can absolutely bury the bronze and leave the glass exposed.</p>
<p>Also, thank you in general for all your helpful advice here, and for your phenomenal books! I just bought all three, and I recently switched to using your firing schedule for Bronzclay&#8211;which pretty much changed my results from close to zero to almost 100 percent. What a difference. (Then I started using the Fastfire Bronzclay I had lying around, but kept to your schedule, and I might as well be firing silver now. Easy perfection!)</p>
<p>And the store is Stained Glass Garden, down on 4th Street. (I live in Davis&#8211;I plan to sign up for one of your six-week classes at some point.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hadar Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://artinsilver.com/blog/2009/06/26/using-fused-glass-with-metal-clay/comment-page-1/#comment-15102</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadar Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy,

Bronze will always suffer  from open air firing, a lot more than copper. Is it possible to bury just the metal in carbon while you are firing, leaving only the glass in the air? As to your other question, I really don&#039;t know much about glass. I hope whoever reads it can help. What store in Berkeley was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy,</p>
<p>Bronze will always suffer  from open air firing, a lot more than copper. Is it possible to bury just the metal in carbon while you are firing, leaving only the glass in the air? As to your other question, I really don&#8217;t know much about glass. I hope whoever reads it can help. What store in Berkeley was it?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://artinsilver.com/blog/2009/06/26/using-fused-glass-with-metal-clay/comment-page-1/#comment-15090</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, this is basically what I&#039;ve been doing, but I have two problems, and I&#039;m a little desperate at this point, and I wonder if anyone reading here can help solve them. Please forgive the length of this comment!

1)When I use the bronze clay, the open firing seems to leave it with a deposit of copper on the outer layer of the metal, and although it&#039;s mostly removable after an extraordinary amount of vigorous scrubbing with a brass brush, the metal is still left with a rosy look rather than a golden one. It&#039;s not ugly exactly, but if I&#039;d wanted to use copper, I&#039;d have used copper, you know? Any idea how to avoid this, or is it just a feature of open firing the bronze? I&#039;m considering coating the pieces with a boric acid/water solution before trying it again--not so much to avoid the fire scale, which is pickle-able, but to see if it curtails the copper issue. (And to be clear--the copper coating is definitely a problem that&#039;s happening in the firing, NOT in my pickling. There&#039;s no contamination in my pickle.)

2)The second problem is one I&#039;ve had continuously with the glass. I fuse the pieces, and I&#039;m annealing them properly. But at some point, usually a day or two after they&#039;re fired, the glass breaks--a sheer break in half, with the top and bottom halves separating cleanly from one another. The folks at the glass store in Berkeley tell me this isn&#039;t something they recognize--if the pieces weren&#039;t annealed properly, they say they&#039;d be shattering, rather than cleaving in two this way. When I was setting pre-fused pieces into raw silver clay, I thought perhaps the shrinkage around the glass was causing too much pressure on the cab, but now I&#039;m fusing the glass straight into the fully sintered setting--so I don&#039;t think pressure is the issue. If anyone has ideas, I&#039;d be so grateful to hear them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, this is basically what I&#8217;ve been doing, but I have two problems, and I&#8217;m a little desperate at this point, and I wonder if anyone reading here can help solve them. Please forgive the length of this comment!</p>
<p>1)When I use the bronze clay, the open firing seems to leave it with a deposit of copper on the outer layer of the metal, and although it&#8217;s mostly removable after an extraordinary amount of vigorous scrubbing with a brass brush, the metal is still left with a rosy look rather than a golden one. It&#8217;s not ugly exactly, but if I&#8217;d wanted to use copper, I&#8217;d have used copper, you know? Any idea how to avoid this, or is it just a feature of open firing the bronze? I&#8217;m considering coating the pieces with a boric acid/water solution before trying it again&#8211;not so much to avoid the fire scale, which is pickle-able, but to see if it curtails the copper issue. (And to be clear&#8211;the copper coating is definitely a problem that&#8217;s happening in the firing, NOT in my pickling. There&#8217;s no contamination in my pickle.)</p>
<p>2)The second problem is one I&#8217;ve had continuously with the glass. I fuse the pieces, and I&#8217;m annealing them properly. But at some point, usually a day or two after they&#8217;re fired, the glass breaks&#8211;a sheer break in half, with the top and bottom halves separating cleanly from one another. The folks at the glass store in Berkeley tell me this isn&#8217;t something they recognize&#8211;if the pieces weren&#8217;t annealed properly, they say they&#8217;d be shattering, rather than cleaving in two this way. When I was setting pre-fused pieces into raw silver clay, I thought perhaps the shrinkage around the glass was causing too much pressure on the cab, but now I&#8217;m fusing the glass straight into the fully sintered setting&#8211;so I don&#8217;t think pressure is the issue. If anyone has ideas, I&#8217;d be so grateful to hear them.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When fusing with silver clay (PMC) use either PMC+ or PMC3 only.  If you fuse the glass first, you can then either set the glass INTO the PMC like you would a ring setting or you can cut out a space and set the glass that way.  You need to make sure to put a rim around the glass to make sure it is secure.  The glass will be slightly liquified when the PMC melts, making the glass even more secure. this technique will probably work the same for bronze and copper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When fusing with silver clay (PMC) use either PMC+ or PMC3 only.  If you fuse the glass first, you can then either set the glass INTO the PMC like you would a ring setting or you can cut out a space and set the glass that way.  You need to make sure to put a rim around the glass to make sure it is secure.  The glass will be slightly liquified when the PMC melts, making the glass even more secure. this technique will probably work the same for bronze and copper.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ellin D'Agostino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ellin D'Agostino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will probably work well for copper clay.  How well it works for the bronze clay will depend on the COE of the Bronze--how close is it to the COE of copper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will probably work well for copper clay.  How well it works for the bronze clay will depend on the COE of the Bronze&#8211;how close is it to the COE of copper?</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Sargeant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica Sargeant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadar, thank you so much for this posting!  I had just recently posted in Orchid hoping someone would have some experience with the new clays and fused glass.  I figured you would have to use a prefired piece but didn&#039;t know what to expect beyond that.  I guess I will just have to jump in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadar, thank you so much for this posting!  I had just recently posted in Orchid hoping someone would have some experience with the new clays and fused glass.  I figured you would have to use a prefired piece but didn&#8217;t know what to expect beyond that.  I guess I will just have to jump in!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadar, this really sparks my interest, because I&#039;ve been thinking lately that all the fused glass stuff I see looks the same -- until seeing this. Now, I want to try it, too.
-csc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadar, this really sparks my interest, because I&#8217;ve been thinking lately that all the fused glass stuff I see looks the same &#8212; until seeing this. Now, I want to try it, too.<br />
-csc</p>
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		<title>By: Hadar Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://artinsilver.com/blog/2009/06/26/using-fused-glass-with-metal-clay/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadar Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Connie,

It might work. If the copper turns red, it&#039;s really easy to buff it to its natural color. In any case, the oxidation is only on the surface since the firing is not that long. I&#039;d love to see what you do with it!

Hadar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Connie,</p>
<p>It might work. If the copper turns red, it&#8217;s really easy to buff it to its natural color. In any case, the oxidation is only on the surface since the firing is not that long. I&#8217;d love to see what you do with it!</p>
<p>Hadar</p>
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		<title>By: connie williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>connie williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm.  i wonder if you coated the fired copper clay with boric acid solution, (or other available solutions) like you do when you are embedding copper in glass....if the copper wouldn&#039;t oxydize as much..or would it turn red?
i have never used copper clay YET.  guess i&#039;d better try some!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm.  i wonder if you coated the fired copper clay with boric acid solution, (or other available solutions) like you do when you are embedding copper in glass&#8230;.if the copper wouldn&#8217;t oxydize as much..or would it turn red?<br />
i have never used copper clay YET.  guess i&#8217;d better try some!</p>
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