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	<title>Comments on: More About Patina</title>
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		<title>By: Hadar Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://artinsilver.com/blog/2009/03/14/more-about-patina/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadar Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Debbie,

Did you try taking the pieces out when they are hot? Also, it sounds like something may be wrong with the carbon. Even if I don&#039;t get nice patina, I still don&#039;t get black pieces. It&#039;s important to clean the carbon from ash after every firing and to refresh it once in a while. Also, I do suspect that there are some bad batches of carbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Debbie,</p>
<p>Did you try taking the pieces out when they are hot? Also, it sounds like something may be wrong with the carbon. Even if I don&#8217;t get nice patina, I still don&#8217;t get black pieces. It&#8217;s important to clean the carbon from ash after every firing and to refresh it once in a while. Also, I do suspect that there are some bad batches of carbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Debby Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debby Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting closer, but my pcs are more black and less patina than yours. I fired at your requirements and it just looked black, and then lowered the temp to 1520 and shortened the hold time to 2 1/2 hrs. That time it looked black with some patina.  It sounds like I&#039;m heading in the right direction.  Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting closer, but my pcs are more black and less patina than yours. I fired at your requirements and it just looked black, and then lowered the temp to 1520 and shortened the hold time to 2 1/2 hrs. That time it looked black with some patina.  It sounds like I&#8217;m heading in the right direction.  Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Hadar Jacobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadar Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much higher. I take the box out with a fork as soon as the chamber as not red hot anymore (around 1000F). I remove the lid with cross-lock tweezers and let the box cool some, until I can touch it with a glove without burning the glove. When I pour the carbon into the sieve some of it is glowing red. This is not safe practice, though! Be extra careful and don&#039;t do it indoors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much higher. I take the box out with a fork as soon as the chamber as not red hot anymore (around 1000F). I remove the lid with cross-lock tweezers and let the box cool some, until I can touch it with a glove without burning the glove. When I pour the carbon into the sieve some of it is glowing red. This is not safe practice, though! Be extra careful and don&#8217;t do it indoors.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnn Sartorius</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnn Sartorius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how hot are we talking?  Does the kiln read 300, 400, 600...  when you take out the box?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how hot are we talking?  Does the kiln read 300, 400, 600&#8230;  when you take out the box?</p>
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